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It was literally a miracle that he got to the 2nd round with that roster. Everyone besides Jokic got hurt that year. They picked Rivers up off waivers late in the season and he was starting in the playoffs lol.

ask FultzNationRise he will give you some anecdote about how he remembers a time where steph curry turned the ball over in the fourth quarter, so that means he is a choker….or some in depth analysis like that lol

Hey I’m not going hate on Klay. Steph needed him. And I’m not hating on Jokic because he lost that 2021 series to Phoenix. The Suns probably were the better overall team. I’m being critical because of the way he lost while being MVP. He was swept in second round by a team that hadn’t made the playoffs in 10 years and he got so frustrated he...

Maybe. I won't ruin you if that's what you think about their playoff run 23 years ago. But it doesn't change the fact that kobe was still young before and in the process of maturing while shaq was at the right age plus his huge size made him more badass that fitted the definition of being a true alpha.

Naz gambles a lot. Jokic made insane shot after insane shot over Toody, I don't think anyone besides Wemby can contest shots better than that.

Lol yet Phil and Shaq both treated Kobe as the best player in the world during that '01 title run. How was Shaq the alpha when Kobe was the best clutch/4th quarter player in the Playoffs and was clearly the better player through 3 rounds of that run? Beating down on an inferior Sixers' squad that had no chance of winning the series does not change...

No one does that with Duncan. Everyone knows TP and Kawhi came away with FMVPs and no one considered Duncan the best player on the 07/14 teams. Also Curry did not play well enough to win FMVP in 2015. You need the FMVP along with the ring when discussing the GOAT standard. MJ set this standard for the modern era. It is what it is.

Jokic is hitting super tough contested shots on Rudy. It's not exactly his fault. If a guy makes those shots, you tip the hat to him!

No klay, no play. :ohwell:

Jokic easily lol

Dude, the lakers used to be stacked bt. And we all know that shaq was the veteran alpha of the team during those days...

What issues did Steph have, other than when he played on one leg in 2016? It's too early for this right now. Jokic is still at his peak and has more to do before I'd put him over peak Steph. Steph had more help I agree but that also led to the most dominant RS ever in 2016, followed by the most dominant Playoff run ever in 2017. Even when...

How far did Curry get in the playoffs with Klay? Or should i say when did he actually make the playoffs without Klay?

Not at all

Chris Paul shouldn’t be that’s for sure. How many players on that Suns team were MVP hailed to be a top 20 player ever and are frequently argued to be the best offensive big man of all time?

I don't think so. Not to say it's a diss towards Murray, but it's a respect to the competition. Like honestly, who would you cut? I don't think Murray is better than: Luka Curry SGA Devin Booker Ja Morant De'Aaron Fox Dame

Yeah there's no real consistency from game to game and it's frustrating to watch. They might let these guys play for 3 quarters and then call the softest shit in crunch time. Or they'll call every foul early and then swallow their whistle when it's convenient.

DPOY doesn't mean you're the best possible match-up against everyone. Rudy is a leader of the best defense in the league and you can argue based on some of the stats that he does the best job individually vs. most players in the league, but Jokic is a generational talent man, and Rudy made him work hard as **** in G5 and it still didn't matter....

How many starters on that Suns team aren't in the NBA now?

Imo that Suns series is the worst of his entire career. He was bad. CP3 COOKED him. I was harsh on him also. But every other ATG have worse preformances than that, don't they?

I am insinuating that he hasn't had any help relative to what other ATG regular season teams have had What Murray did in the playoffs has nothing to do with the regular season. Murray provided excellent help in the title run, but I'm arguing about regular season SRS here and how Jokic is harder to build a great team around for SRS purposes....

That Suns team proved to be frauds though. Lakers beat them if AD stays healthy, Clippers beat them if Leonard stays healthy, and we all saw what Giannis did to them. Luka alone destroyed that 64 win Suns team the next year, so why couldn’t MVP Jokic even take one game from a less superior team with Chris Paul playing through a shoulder injury?

an actual picture of highweight’s body lmao, jesus

I see your point. Curry teams have higher ceilings and Jokic teams have higher floors. I also rate higher ceiling more. Therefore MJ > Lebron. Curry might be the greatest offensive engine ever(for the regular season at least). However in the playoffs, no franchise in history had more luck during their championships than the Warriors. Their...

Definitely. Murray was pretty amazing during their title run. I just had to call that out because he says “jokic never even played with all nba players”….its insinuating he had no help. Murray was going off in the post season and his cast played well too. Not to take away from Joker but it’s it’s a false narrative to say he had no help.

Denver had Frank Compazzo and Austin Rivers in the starting lineup. Neither guy was in the league this past season. The Suns were one game out of 1st place that year, made it to the Finals, then won 64 games the next year for the best record in the league.

If Klay ever played like Murray in the playoffs... Golden State would've NEVER acquired Durant nor would they have lost in 2016. That guy was putting up Wade or Kobe numbers while klay was shitting the bed at 16 ppg giving nothing else.

Curry built Iguodala and Bogut and Draymond and Livingston and Klay and Barnes and Barbosa from a box of scraps? I dont... I'm not sure what you even... I'm confused.