Casts need great chemistry to play great but modern guys have high set-up times

[StrongLurk]

Lebron mostly loses with every cast and isn't capable of mostly winning with any cast - literally incapable of getting anywhere near 3-peat or 6 chips with any cast, aka objectively inferior to MJ...

You have no rebuttal

This is based on a 21-year sample size and hundreds of lineups, coaches and every type of star, such as PG (Kyrie), SG (Wade), PF (Bosh, Love), and center (AD).

You say Lebron mostly loses, yet he has the second most finals MVPs of all time. You simply aren't applying any logic whatsoever here.

No one cares about players who can't win rings as the best player. Lebron did it 4 times, no one else after MJ accomplished that. You have no real rebuttal to this because it's the historical record. The fact is Bron is the second best winner in the modern era.

[j3lademaster]

You say Lebron mostly loses, yet he has the second most finals MVPs of all time. You simply aren't applying any logic whatsoever here.

No one cares about players who can't win rings as the best player. Lebron did it 4 times, no one else after MJ accomplished that. You have no real rebuttal to this because it's the historical record. The fact is Bron is the second best winner in the modern era.

team hop to Heat big 3, Ray Allen shot, Draymond suspension, mickey mouse ring

Just getting that out of the way.

[3ba11]

You say Lebron mostly loses, yet he has the second most finals MVPs of all time. You simply aren't applying any logic whatsoever here.

10 Finals?... only 4 FMVP?.. That means he produced mostly losers, just like I said.. Just imagine if Lebron's skillset produced higher team ceilings/Finals records (better teams), he could have 10 FMVP's and be the unquestioned GOAT like Jordan.

Unfortunately, "bron-ball" is a down-hill brand, which isn't 5-man basketball, so lost to superior brands like the Spurs, Warriors, or Nuggets twice each, and also upset losses to 1-star brands like the Magic or Mavs.. It's the most beatable brand of all-time, even with help.

It's a pretty clear-cut gap where Lebron wins a conference when you give him another star, while MJ wins the league.. And we all know that Lebron actually had DOUBLE the star help of peers like MJ, Jokic or Curry, who built dynasties with only 1 other star.. The temerity it takes to say "I need more help" and then get DOUBLE the star help than what anyone would expect and the historical precedent.. smh

Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals even if we exclude 07', 15', and 18' (22-33 overall).. Accordingly, if all the Finals teams in history were made into a league, Lebron's teams would be the Pistons (worst team in the league)... It turns out that letting a big man dominate the ball and play like a PG is the worst brand of ball in history and mostly loses even when you surround it with "help".. It's literally INCAPABLE of having a stretch of mostly winning, regardless of cast.

History shows that lebron is 1/5 with AD.... 1/4 with Love.... 1/4 with Wade (except Allen miracle)... Lebron is simply a "1/4" guy when he has "help", while MJ was unbeatable with half the star help... When Lebron has "help", he'll go 1/4 and get demolished by record amount, and then he'll leave your franchise in tatters as the front office guts the remaining roster and blows up the team's developed chemistry/identity.

[StrongLurk]

10 Finals?... only 4 FMVP?.. That means he produced mostly losers, just like I said.. Just imagine if Lebron's skillset produced higher team ceilings/Finals records (better teams), he could have 10 FMVP's and be the unquestioned GOAT like Jordan.

Unfortunately, "bron-ball" is a down-hill brand, which isn't 5-man basketball, so lost to superior brands like the Spurs, Warriors, or Nuggets twice each, and also upset losses to 1-star brands like the Magic or Mavs.. It's the most beatable brand of all-time, even with help.

It's a pretty clear-cut gap where Lebron wins a conference when you give him another star, while MJ wins the league.. And we all know that Lebron actually had DOUBLE the star help of peers like MJ, Jokic or Curry, who built dynasties with only 1 other star.. The temerity it takes to say "I need more help" and then get DOUBLE the star help than what anyone would expect and the historical precedent.. smh

Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals even if we exclude 07', 15', and 18' (22-33 overall).. Accordingly, if all the Finals teams in history were made into a league, Lebron's teams would be the Pistons (worst team in the league)... It turns out that letting a big man dominate the ball and play like a PG is the worst brand of ball in history and mostly loses even when you surround it with "help".. It's literally INCAPABLE of having a stretch of mostly winning, regardless of cast.

History shows that lebron is 1/5 with AD.... 1/4 with Love.... 1/4 with Wade (except Allen miracle)... Lebron is simply a "1/4" guy when he has "help", while MJ was unbeatable with half the star help... When Lebron has "help", he'll go 1/4 and get demolished by record amount, and then he'll leave your franchise in tatters as the front office guts the remaining roster and blows up the team's developed chemistry/identity.

Woooo, you are really losing it. You can't have an actual rebuttal to Lebron's 4 FMVPs because it's the ultimate measurement for GOATNESS.

You keep trying to frame 4 FMVPs as a "losing effort", but then you literally don't apply that logic to any other all time greats. Where are the rest of the players with 4 FMVPs? They literally all have less FMVPs besides Jordans, so according to your initial premise, they are ALL bigger losers than Lebron. It's sad seeing you try to claim losing BEFORE the finals is "better" than losing in the finals.

You are ironically just proving my point that Lebron is the second greatest winner in the modern era behind MJ. No one else could match Lebron's peak/prime in the playoffs.

I love seeing you squirm and meltdown over this topic. You just resort to illogical copy/paste spam