Anthony Edwards clearly needs another star teammate - who would be best for him

[3ba11]

I might, but he will never admit that he mistyped something, made a careless error, or simply got something wrong.

Hell, I often agree with some of his basic underlying points, but they are so obviously only in service of his agenda. If you want to take Ant to task for being overly ball dominant, that might be a conversation worth having. Last night, he had a phenomenally efficient 45 points on only 25 shots. During his time on the floor, the Wolves were a plus 5. He played 45:20. So in the two minutes and forty seconds he sat, the Nuggets had a 13 point advantage.

But the problem was that Ant was too ball dominant??? If you want to make these arguments, pick your moments. But that’s impossible, since the only thing that matters is maintaining that Jordan is better than LeBron. It’s just plain idiotic, as is the whole GOAT debate. The point of the NBA is not to win legacy points, despite what so many seem to think.

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

[StrongLurk]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

Who are these players that are "completely sophisticated offensive chameleons" that you deem to be the GOATs? Let's see your top 5 all time

[3ba11]

Who are these players that are "completely sophisticated offensive chameleons" that you deem to be the GOATs? Let's see your top 5 all time

MJ
Kobe
Bird
Curry


^^^ goat jumpshooting skill required along with goat post ability, except for the goat shooter that brought in this era (Curry) - he's defended differently than everyone

My 5th guy is Wilt because I have the best jumpshooters > best centers > best ball-dominators... that's how my top 10 is ranked... it's based on the skillset that needs the least help to win

[SouBeachTalents]

[Duffy Pratt]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

They won the minutes he was on the court (45 of 48). They lost badly the less than three minutes he was resting. Last night’s loss had nothing to do with his downhill skill set. It had everything to do with Minnesota having no offense and weaker defense when he was off the court.

And yes, I agree that his game has room for improvement. And I’m not a fan of ball dominant, stagnant, ISO oriented offenses. But that wasn’t the issue last night. Rather, Towns was awful. Gobert is a cypher on offense. And most importantly, the Nuggets simply dominated for the few minutes that Ant rested.

[Phoenix]

And yes, I agree that his game has room for improvement. And I’m not a fan of ball dominant, stagnant, ISO oriented offenses. But that wasn’t the issue last night. Rather, Towns was awful. Gobert is a cypher on offense. And most importantly, the Nuggets simply dominated for the few minutes that Ant rested.

As it should for any 22 year old. Ant has very clearly shown progression in 4 seasons. 3nutball likes to act like MJ was a completely finished product at 22 when he was clearly a more polished player by the time he won championships. Ant in terms of NBA experience is akin to 87 MJ at this point. Wait until he's had a summer playing in the Olympics and what he takes from that experience. He was team USAs best player last year and came back a bonified all-NBA level player this season leading his team to 3rd in the west. Very likely he will take another leap next season. We can't just...enjoy watching someone mature with idiots like 3ball trying to compare them to players with complete legacies. This dude is the age MJ was as a rookie/sophomore. He literally has an entire career ahead, but we already doing this dumb shit.

[3ba11]

As it should for any 22 year old. 3nutball likes to act like MJ was a completely finished product at 22 when he was clearly a more polished player by the time he won championships.

Jordan was ready to win titles right away and already won a college title, while Ant went 5-13 in college or some garbage - so don't compare their fundamentals - they don't compare at 22

Ant has a simpleton, down-hill skillset, while 22-year MJ already played off-ball and off teammates.. Give MJ a top seed and 57 win team at 22 years old and it's an instant title.. he's the only player in history that never lost with a 1 or 2 seed, yet everyone says Ant is like Jordan by losing with a top seed (something MJ never did).

Give rookie Jordan some help and he wins the title... remember that Bird/Magic needed super-teams to barely hang with Bad Boys, while Jordan made them a piece of cake with just one other star and was basically beating them in 90' with nothing

[Phoenix]

Jordan was ready to win titles right away and already won a college title, while Ant went 5-13 in college or some garbage - so don't compare their fundamentals - they don't compare at 22

Ant has a simpleton, down-hill skillset, while 22-year MJ already played off-ball and off teammates.. Give MJ a top seed and 57 win team at 22 years old and it's an instant title.. he's the only player in history that never lost with a 1 or 2 seed, yet everyone says Ant is like Jordan by losing with a top seed (something MJ never did).

Give rookie Jordan some help and he wins the title... remember that Bird/Magic needed super-teams to barely hang with Bad Boys, while Jordan made them a piece of cake with just one other star and was basically beating them in 90' with nothing

Jordan wasn't a finished player at 22 and he won when he won. And without anything but conjecture to go off, let's call your claim that MJ would have won in the NBA right away bullshit. Not because it wasn't possible, but because his career was what he was and you have absolutely no clue what he would or wouldn't have done in different circumstances at 22.

[PeroAntic]

Ant is better than Jordan

[StrongLurk]

MJ
Kobe
Bird
Curry


^^^ goat jumpshooting skill required along with goat post ability, except for the goat shooter that brought in this era (Curry) - he's defended differently than everyone

My 5th guy is Wilt because I have the best jumpshooters > best centers > best ball-dominators... that's how my top 10 is ranked... it's based on the skillset that needs the least help to win

So we have Kobe with 2 FMVPs, Bird with 2 FMVPs, and Curry with 1 FMVP. Besides MJ, your list is a joke that no one would ever agree with. Hell you even threw in Wilt at 5

[3ba11]

So we have Kobe with 2 FMVPs, Bird with 2 FMVPs, and Curry with 1 FMVP. Besides MJ, your list is a joke that no one would ever agree with. Hell you even threw in Wilt at 5

Bird couldn't guarantee winning the Eastern Conference by teaming up with Isiah and Dr. J, so you can't knock guys for not making the Finals when comparing to Lebron, who put the top 3 players in the East on 1 team ("decision").. Lebron subsequently blew these extra chances that he manufactured for himself by getting smashed in nearly every Finals and needing teammate bailout to save him in multiple Finals.

Imagine if Lebron's skillset produced dominant teams, he would have 10 FMVP, but his skillset failed the chances that his collusions provided.

[StrongLurk]

Bird couldn't guarantee winning the Eastern Conference by teaming up with Isiah and Dr. J, so you can't knock guys for not making the Finals when comparing to Lebron, who put the top 3 players in the East on 1 team ("decision").. Lebron subsequently blew these extra chances that he manufactured for himself by getting smashed in nearly every Finals and needing teammate bailout to save him in multiple Finals.

Imagine if Lebron's skillset produced dominant teams, he would have 10 FMVP, but his skillset failed the chances that his collusions provided.

This whole post is just crying excuses. Bird literally had a TEAMMATE get a finals MVP, Curry was cucked by KD twice, and we all know Shaq proved that he has a top 5 peak of all time which Kobe never matched in the finals (Lebron never had a teammate on peak Shaq's level). You've said many times that Bird had a super team his whole career, same with the KD/Curry Warriors.

Lebron was the driving force behind his 4 finals MVPs. All the other all time greats in the modern era tried their best but couldn't get to four because they weren't good enough for long enough.

[ShawkFactory]

Ant's down-hill skillset isn't 5-man basketball, so opponents get used to his down-hill stats and shut down his teammates.. If Ant could dominate other ways, then the Wolves offense would be that much better and teammates contributing more.. that's what MJ did... that's what jokic does.. that's what curry did in his unique and era-changing way... the goat players must learn to be completely sophisticated offensive chameleons.. If you can't see that, then you don't understand competition or the Art of War

Sure. And if/when they contribute more you definitely won't be switching up your argument and say they're all better than Pippen.