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  1. #31
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    Default Re: MJ keeps vanquishing all the "next MJs" like Ant/Bron, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon View Post
    Nah actually a bad Mj game looked like this



    8 shots in a 2-2 series with a trip to his 1st finals on the line. Help yourself to a story lost to time and knob polishing.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...414-story.html

    Ant has a lot of help and one of the league favorites, so he can't run out of gas like 89' MJ, who was carrying a lottery cast like the 04' Cavs or 19' Wolves.. It's no comparison.. The 89' Bulls had major upsets in every round, while the current Wolves are a favored, veteran high seed.

    Btw, Pippen effectively missed games 5 and 6 of the 89' ECF... People don't realize that these were his first "migraines" and actually confirmed that his choke in Game 7 the following year was par for the course and not an actual "migraine" (since it happened in 89' too).. Pippen missing these games in addition to an already thin cast - that's why MJ ran out of gas and had a "bad" game of 18 points (compared to 6 or 8 points for Lebron's "bad" games, or even 13 points for Jokic's "bad" games).

    But the real issue is that MJ's team of role players played the 89' and 90' Bad Boys just as tough as Bird and Magic's super-teams - their super-teams could barely hang with the Bad Boys, while MJ was nearly beating them with nothing in 89' and 90' before sweeping them with just one other star in 91' - this massive chasm in what Bird/Magic needed to barely hang with the Bad Boys, while MJ needed nothing by comparison - this shows how much better MJ was than Magic/Bird..

    Many people thought MJ could beat the Bad Boys by himself in the 80's and when he finally did beat them, he needed nothing compared to what Bird/Magic needed.

  2. #32
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    Default Re: MJ keeps vanquishing all the "next MJs" like Ant/Bron, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Many people thought the Wolves were "just too much" for the poor Nuggets after 2 games, but now they say Ant needs more help.

    How can this be??... How can they have more talent with "length everywhere" according to Lebron, and also the 6MOY, DPOY, and an All-NBA player that carried the franchise until Ant recently took over?

    So obviously, Ant doesn't need more help - he could literally tell management that "I don't need more help" because he has plenty... The problem is that his "down-hill" skillset of seeking 3's and layups isn't 5-man basketball, so it can't produce the elite chemistry needed to "elevate teammates" and have well-performing casts, aka great teams..

    Casts need great chemistry to play great and Ant simply lacks the brand of ball to foster this chemistry.. This is typical of today's modern "down-hill" players like Luka, SGA, Ant, Lebron, etc. - they always "need more help" because they lack the skillset to produce great chemistry that elevates teammates.

    Otoh, expert jumpshooters like Curry and MJ, or fundamental bigs like Jokic or Duncan can dominate while the ball moves... Accordingly, they foster great chemistry and get the most out of teammates and don't "need more help"... It's actually a travesty that today's media says that Ant and Lebron "need more help", which promotes talent-based winning (all-star team strategy) and therefore discourages players from improving their skillset to foster better chemistry like Jokic, Curry and MJ did.
    Top paragraph: yes, absolutely. The Wolves are a very talented, well-constructed and deep team. Despite this they are not an elite offence, even with offence being Ant’s stronger side. Forget MJ comparisons, I don’t think he’s even a Top 5 current player yet, and is at best borderline Top 10.

    Bottom paragraph: see previous post, this has all been refuted pretty definitively, with nary a response in sight to the specific points raised.

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