Inside the NBA talking about how down-hill style is solvable and not 5-man basketball

[3ba11]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kEx6NQjxx3g&t=4m35s

Draymond says that OKC's entire offense in the regular season was waiting for defenses to make a mistake on screen-roll action, which doesn't work in the playoffs against adjusting teams...

Inside the NBA also talks about how the down-hill style isn't 5-man basketball so it leaves teammates out in the cold - it cannot foster the chemistry needed to elevate teammates or have a well-performing cast, aka great team.

This is why the modern player would struggle in previous eras - the down-hill style is solvable and lacks the chemistry to have great-performing casts, aka great teams, while these ball-dominators need spacing for their drives, which didn't exist in previous eras.

Ultimately, SGA is losing as the favorite with the same brand of ball and chemistry (not elevating teammates) as 2009 Lebron vs Orlando - great individual numbers but the down-hill style left teammates out to dry and didn't elevate them (not 5-man basketball)

[Carbine]

Brunson and the Knicks are probably going to make the ECF with Brunson doing exactly that. His time if possession is significantly higher than anyone else in the nba playoffs.

Mavs (or OKC) are going to make the WCF with similar play style. The Mavs are the prime example of your turn, my turn pick and roll spam or iso with Kyrie and Luka.

[ShawkFactory]

I know it's like you're favorite thing to correlate everything with this specific thought about basketball that you have. But OKC's problems are more far-reaching. And I'm saying this not to you but to others who may open the thread and be interested in actually discussing basketball.

For starters, not a single rotation player on the team is over the age of 25 (and only 2 are even 25) and it shows. Outside of SGA, everyone looks panicked. This is normal for non-absolute superstar 22-year-olds playing in their first big playoff series against a good and well-seasoned team. The chemistry and decision-making not quite being there is not unexpected and it doesn't have anything to do with SGA's brand of ball. They just don't have experience.

Second, even during the regular season they were fairly reliant on 3pt shooting because they are severely lacking in size. Chet and Giddey are their biggest players and neither have the bulk to play on the inside offensively and get easy buckets. Thus, the have to rely on jumpshooting. Which as you know can be streaky.

They are a very talented young team that is very close to being an elite one. A year or two more of seasoning and a couple of big bodies on the interior and they'll be a real problem.

[White Hammer]

Does that mean Luka is winning as the underdog because of his superior brand of ball?

[3ba11]

I know it's like you're favorite thing to correlate everything with this specific thought about basketball that you have. But OKC's problems are more far-reaching. And I'm saying this not to you but to others who may open the thread and be interested in actually discussing basketball.

For starters, not a single rotation player on the team is over the age of 25 (and only 2 are even 25) and it shows. Outside of SGA, everyone looks panicked. This is normal for non-absolute superstar 22-year-olds playing in their first big playoff series against a good and well-seasoned team. The chemistry and decision-making not quite being there is not unexpected and it doesn't have anything to do with SGA's brand of ball. They just don't have experience.

Second, even during the regular season they were fairly reliant on 3pt shooting because they are severely lacking in size. Chet and Giddey are their biggest players and neither have the bulk to play on the inside offensively and get easy buckets. Thus, the have to rely on jumpshooting. Which as you know can be streaky.

They are a very talented young team that is very close to being an elite one. A year or two more of seasoning and a couple of big bodies on the interior and they'll be a real problem.

Maybe you didn't listen to the link in the OP... Draymond and people in the NBA disagree with you... They say that SGA's pick-and-roll game works in the regular season but not in the playoffs when teams are adjusting - this is what Draymond and Kenny Smith said - they also said that this brand of ball leaves teammates out in the cold when 1 guy is handling the ball like that (it isn't 5-man basketball).

And again, we've seen teammates play poorly alongside Lebron for 21 years, and now we have examples of Luka having bad fits with a super-stud like Brunson, and also Porzingas.. It's like these down-hill guys don't know how to play basketball because they can't fit with many guys and can't have great chemistry.. It's clear as day and the historical record backs up what me and Draymond are saying, not what you're saying.

[ShawkFactory]

We gonna base everything on what Draymond says?

Don’t know if you want to go that route

But even then, he mentioned nothing about SGAs style of play but the guard heavy offense as a whole. One of the problems I’ve mentioned.

They need another type of player. A relatively middling level guy like a Naz Reid or a Valenciunas. Anyone who can deep defenses honest away from the perimeter.

[3ba11]

We gonna base everything on what Draymond says?

Don’t know if you want to go that route

Draymond was making a sober, reasoned take on Inside the NBA - this wasn't one of his trolls.. This was a serious segment on the show.. Kenny and Charles agreed.. Robert Horry recently said the same thing about Lebron's game... Rashad McCants, Ric Bucher, and others are also on board... Everyone is coming around to the fact that Lebron doesn't need more help - he just needs to improve chemistry, fits and brand of ball..

I've said this for a decade and now finally everyone realizes it.. Teams win games based on talent AND chemistry - both are equally important and I would venture to say chemistry is actually quite a bit more important... For example, any top 20 all-time player will have a great organic juggernaut after 6 or 7 seasons almost regardless of cast.. We saw this with Curry, MJ, Jokic and yes, even Lebron in 2010 - he had an organic juggernaut with a "normal" cast of 1 franchise player.. The difference is that he gave up on developing the chemistry required to win with 1 franchise player and "decided" to put 3 franchise guys on 1 team (super-team)..

But his brand still mostly lost - his brand isn't capable of great, all-time teams.. 21 years confirms this, along additional years coming from Luka, SGA, Westbrook, Harden - the modern player has a horrific, losing brand of ball.. The modern player is a loser that lacks the brand of ball to succeed in prior eras, and prior eras also didn't have the spacing that today's "down-hill" skillset requires.

[ShawkFactory]

Hey here’s a question, did you know that OKC is literally the youngest team in that NBA? And that’s with their bench. If you include just the rotation it gets even younger.

Obviously that question was rhetorical. I know you know that and are just goofing. Carry on.

[3ba11]

Hey here’s a question, did you know that OKC is literally the youngest team in that NBA? And that’s with their bench. If you include just the rotation it gets even younger.

Obviously that question was rhetorical. I know you know that and are just goofing. Carry on.

There's an increasing amount of stalemating where 1 losing ball-dominator faces another one, aka Luka vs SGA - so someone has to win - the "modern" player is infact a losing, "down-hill" player that can't foster the chemistry that allows a great-performing cast, aka great team.. the best teams are still led by the Curry's and the Jokic's of the world (low time of possession players, aka non-ball-dominant players).. this was preceded by the duncan's and kobe's of the world... and that was preceded by the MJ's of the world and then the organic Pistons or fundamental big Kareem or hybrid Bird (similar to Duncan, Jokic).

carry on