Peak Magic Johnson vs Peak Jokic

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jokic literally has the best peak of all time. The only argument is 2015-2018 LeBron.

It's simply harder to win in today's era, so winning isn't the be all end all. It matters, but what Jokic is doing individually, game in game out, in the regular season and playoffs for multiple years now is unprecedented. He has the best advanced stats ever and eye test confirms his brilliance.

Jokic is the best player of all time.

[tontoz]

Everyone knows he would of beat the hawks if he was healthy.....everyone knows he would of beat toronto if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the heat if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the celtics if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the knicks if he was healthy......yet you sit there with a str8 face llike he didnt take most of these teams to 7 games at 50% health and the heat series he was at 10% health..... 10%! He had a broken thumb on his shooting hand(he literally couldn't shoot the ball at all).....a broken face......no conditioning......like......just cut it the fk out.....YOU ALL KNOW HE WOULD OF WON THE BUTLER YEAR! You all know he would of a won a ring the celtics in 7 year.....HE owns jokic....he would never lose to him in the finals.....ever...just stop it

He would never lose to Jokic but he lost to Trae Young

[SouBeachTalents]

Everyone knows he would of beat the hawks if he was healthy.....everyone knows he would of beat toronto if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the heat if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the celtics if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the knicks if he was healthy......yet you sit there with a str8 face llike he didnt take most of these teams to 7 games at 50% health and the heat series he was at 10% health..... 10%! He had a broken thumb on his shooting hand(he literally couldn't shoot the ball at all).....a broken face......no conditioning......like......just cut it the fk out.....YOU ALL KNOW HE WOULD Have WON THE BUTLER YEAR! You all know he would have a won a ring the celtics in 7 year.....HE owns jokic....he would never lose to him in the finals.....ever...just stop it

That’s a whole lotta excuses.

[Mask the Embiid]

He would never lose to Jokic but he lost to Trae Young

he was playing with a torn menicus in his knee you sack of shit! you know he's better!

better scorer
better help defender
better pnr player
better on ball defender
better shot blocker
better shooter
better fts
better rebounder
stronger gravity
better athlete

beats him head up....guards him the best in the entire league....torches him alive....has a winning record vs him head up.....better stats than him...head up or not head up


the man started basketball at 15 or something.....he's a wunderkind



be real for once....stop trollin all the damn time

[tontoz]

he was playing with a torn menicus in his knee you sack of shit! you know he's better!

better scorer
better help defender
better pnr player
better on ball defender
better shot blocker
better shooter
better fts
better rebounder
stronger gravity
better athlete


the man started basketball at 15 or something.....he's a wunderkind

He also flops like a fish. I have no sympathy for injuries when he chooses to hit the ground over and over trying to get calls. Boo hoo

[Mask the Embiid]

Bell's palsy.....the man had bell's ****ing palsy from out of nowhere........this is his level of luck....jokic has never been through shit in the playoffs......never..... not even a nick and thats his resume....and this is your king!? losing to cj mccollum completely healthy is your king?

[tontoz]

Bell's palsy.....the man had bell's ****ing palsy from out of nowhere........this is his level of luck....jokic has never been through shit in the playoffs......never..... not even a nick and thats his resume....and this is your king!?

Jokic isn't diving to the ground trying to get calls. It isn't a coincidence that he is healthier in the playoffs.

[Norcaliblunt]

Barkley was a UFA and could have walked for nothing if they didn't trade him, and they still got an All-Star for him. Hornacek made the All-Star game the year before.

Gordon wasn't a UFA. He still had 2 years left on his deal and it wasn't an expensive one. Not hard to fit $18 million for a good player. KCP was even cheaper. It is a lot easier to aquire guys making under $20 million/yr.

But under your own logic Philly could have accepted calls from all the other 26 teams and got a much better deal for the best PF in the league who was a perennial MVP candidate. All they got was a one time fringe all star for a MVP level top 50 player all time. Why? Oh yeah because there is a lot of nuance and things to consider in these situations that arenÂ’t all black and white. Especially when it comes to complete joke franchises like Washington and Orlando. If anything you are propping up DenverÂ’s front office not Jokic. And they deserve props for being able to build a good team around him.

The fact remains Jokic doesnÂ’t lead number one offenses, doesnÂ’t lead teams to best records, and doesnÂ’t significantly make his teammates better to where they make all star teams or have career years. In fact all you hear is how trash his teammates are. Which is odd because historically most floor generals are celebrated for making everyone around them better. Like way way way better.

[tontoz]

But under your own logic Philly could have accepted calls from all the other 26 teams and got a much better deal for the best PF in the league who was a perennial MVP candidate. All they got was a one time fringe all star for a MVP level top 50 player all time. Why? Oh yeah because there is a lot of nuance and things to consider in these situations that arenÂ’t all black and white. Especially when it comes to complete joke franchises like Washington and Orlando. If anything you are propping up DenverÂ’s front office not Jokic. And they deserve props for being able to build a good team around him.

The fact remains Jokic doesnÂ’t lead number one offenses, doesnÂ’t lead teams to best records, and doesnÂ’t significantly make his teammates better to where they make all star teams or have career years. In fact all you hear is how trash his teammates are. Which is odd because historically most floor generals are celebrated for making everyone around them better. Like way way way better.

Do you seriously not realize that a teams bargaining power is very weak if the player will be a UFA in a few months? Low IQ confirmed.

It isnt hard to "make" a guy an All-Star when he was the number 1 pick in the draft.

[Norcaliblunt]

Do you seriously not realize that a teams bargaining power is very weak if the player will be a UFA in a few months? Low IQ confirmed.

It isnt hard to "make" a guy an All-Star when he was the number 1 pick in the draft.

Do you seriously not realize that teams like Washington and Orlando have been terrible for decades and have never been a great place for lottery picks, role players, or anyone for that matter to get their shine on and boost their stock?

KCP was a key role player on a championship team and Aaron Gordon is a freak with potential. Denver’s front office is good while Washington’s and Orlando’s are not. That’s it.

Jokic still does not lead teams to number offenses, best records, or enable teammates to have career years. Bottom line.

[Duffy Pratt]

Everyone knows he would of beat the hawks if he was healthy.....everyone knows he would of beat toronto if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the heat if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the celtics if he was healthy....everyone knows he would of beat the knicks if he was healthy......yet you sit there with a str8 face llike he didnt take most of these teams to 7 games at 50% health and the heat series he was at 10% health..... 10%! He had a broken thumb on his shooting hand(he literally couldn't shoot the ball at all).....a broken face......no conditioning......like......just cut it the fk out.....YOU ALL KNOW HE WOULD OF WON THE BUTLER YEAR! You all know he would of a won a ring the celtics in 7 year.....HE owns jokic....he would never lose to him in the finals.....ever...just stop it

Not sure how he would beat the Nuggets in the playoffs while ducking all the games in Denver.

And by your reasoning, Bill Walton is the best player ever (with the possible exception of Len Bias).

[tontoz]

Do you seriously not realize that teams like Washington and Orlando have been terrible for decades and have never been a great place for lottery picks, role players, or anyone for that matter to get their shine on and boost their stock?

KCP was a key role player on a championship team and Aaron Gordon is a freak with potential.

If you can see that then i am sure the other 29 teams can see it. Of those 29 there were surely teams that could take on a sub $20 million contract for " a key role player on a championship team" or "a freak with potential".

The Lakers valued KCP so highly they used him as salary filler for Westbrook.

[Norcaliblunt]

If you can see that then i am sure the other 29 teams can see it. Of those 29 there were surely teams that could take on a sub $20 million contract for " a key role player on a championship team" or "a freak with potential".

The Lakers valued KCP so highly they used him as salary filler for Westbrook.

So KCP’s value is MVP Westbrook level now. That’s how good he is? Damn. Lmao.

Jokic does not lead teams to number one offensives, best records, or help any of his teammates at becoming an all star. Facts.

[Duffy Pratt]

So KCP’s value is MVP Westbrook level now. That’s how good he is? Damn. Lmao.

Jokic does not lead teams to number one offensives, best records, or help any of his teammates at becoming an all star. Facts.

That would be Tatum.

[SouBeachTalents]

So KCP’s value is MVP Westbrook level now. That’s how good he is? Damn. Lmao.

Jokic does not lead teams to number one offensives, best records, or help any of his teammates at becoming an all star. Facts.

He’s on track to lead them to b2b titles.